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November 2009

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State of Arizona – July 7, 2009 Policy 11.3.6 change no longer requires exact axle weights.

We have been struggling with ordering Arizona Transportation Permits in advance.  In our business it’s not always possible to plan ahead. If, for example, you order in advance and the axle weights aren’t accurate, under the old policy it would have cost you another permit and more delay.

For example if you were transporting a 623E Cat Scraper on a 5-axle 16 tire lowbed and you ordered your permit for 46,725 lbs. on your drive axles and 58,000 lbs on your trailer axles.  So when you arrived at the Port of Entry and weighed 45,725 lbs on the drive axles, 1,000 lbs under permit axle weight and 56,500 lbs 1500 lbs under permit axle weight on the trailer.

This has changed with the modification listed below:

Policy 11.3.6

‘THE DIVISION (MVD) SHALL REDUCE THE DECLARED WEIGHT ON AN EXISTING SPECIAL OVERSIZE /OVERWEIGHT PERMIT WITHOUT ISSUING ANOTHER PERMIT OR COLLECTING AN ADDITIONAL PERMIT FEE. HOWEVER IF WEIGHT AMOUNTS INCREASE BECAUSE OF ROUTING CHANGES, A NEW PERMIT AND PERMIT FEES ARE REQUIRED

In California, as long as you do not exceed maximum axle weights you’re good to go, you’re on your way.

Caltrans – Pilot Cars maybe heading toward Certification - Unregulated or regulated—what would you like to see?

We have been approached by CHP and Caltrans to discuss the pros and cons of having Pilot Cars held to a higher standard and being certified in order to operate in California.  Industry has resisted this in the past, especially of you haul your own equipment and you use your own in-house pilot cars.  I remember we might even use a mechanic if it was just a short move locally.  In this case you would lose that flexibility or you would have to send your employees to an 8-hour Saturday class (overtime) to be trained to and to receive their certification.  This will change the Pilot Car industry for ever.  They will now be finding themselves regulated and many may not want to go this route and if they do, the cost of the service is bound to go up.

On the plus side of the equation is the possibility that if we have a certified Pilot Car driver, CHP may reduce the necessity for escorts on Variance Loads. CHP hasn’t increased staffing for escorts in the past 10 to 15 years and delays and costs for this service are going through the roof.

If you have any comments on Pilot Cars, please send them to me at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it , we need your input.

City of Baldwin Park – Excessive Permit Fees $55 instead of $16.

We were contacted by a member who needed to move several pieces of equipment and was overcharged. This action is not in compliance with CVC 35795 (b), we will continue to monitor this situation.

City of Costa Mesa – Hours of Travel for Export, what do you need 7 or 8?

We recently had a member that through the contract with the County of Orange, they were required t obtain a Haul Permit, which when your transporting a legal load is not required by the Trucking Company unless it is written into the contract.  In this case it was, so there really was no room to negotiate at that point, but make sure that the addition stipulations don’t become burdensome or costly beyond what is reasonable. The City would only allow the contractor to operate the trucking operation from 8:30 am to 3:30 pm, this would only allow 7 hours and it was necessary to have 8 hours.  In today environment, we should be at least able to operate 8 hours and after speaking with the City Engineers, they change the permit to allow operate 8:00 am to 4:00 pm and work a complete, 8 hours was approved.

City of Covina – Excessive Permit Fees $125

Covina is another one of those cities that were under contract with the county.  We spoke to City staff and explained that $16 is all they are able to charge and we urged them to continue to have L. A. County write their permits.

City of Culver City – permit not required on legal vehicle and excessive permit fees.

  • Legal Vehicles – We received a call from a member said the city required them to obtain a transportation permit for a legal load to travel within the city.  We explained that a legal vehicle is not required to obtain a permit in any jurisdiction.  I called the city and requested that they should stop giving out this misinformation to industry.

Download the truck route map at http://www.culvercity.org/it/maps/Map16_TruckRoutes.pdf

If you travel the shortest, most direct route off an unrestricted street (truck route) you are legal.

  • Excessive Permit Fees – The city increased their permit fees to $66.56 and it is only good for one day.  We have requested that the city immediately stop overcharging and to refund anyone that was overcharged for a single trip permit and any legal vehicles that obtained permits.

City of Los Angeles – City Council met on Friday October 29th, our 4 items were adopted.  Council File # 08-3278 formerly Council 03-1449 & 05-1569.

City Council has now directed the City Attorney to re-write the new language needed to adopt for these necessary ordinances.  Once completed, they will go back to City Council for final approval and implementation.

  • Annuals will soon expire 1 year from issuance - Eliminate the requirement that all annual permits expire on the last day of February of each year and allow annual permits to remain valid for one year from the date of issuance.

Presently, in accordance with the requirement contained in Section 62.143(c) of the Los Angeles

Municipal Code, every annual overload permit, regardless of issuance date, expires each year on the last day of February.

  • Peak Hour Travel - Allow travel by overloads up to 10-feet wide during peak traffic hours (except in the Central Traffic District).

Currently, Section 62. I44(b) of the Los Angeles Municipal Code prohibits movement of overloads on city streets during peak traffic hours (7 :00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m., and 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.). The Communicant is requesting that overloads 10 feet wide or less be permitted to travel during these hours (except in the Central Traffic District).

  • Allow travel on weekends – Saturday and Sunday travel adopted.

The Bureaus of Street Services and Engineering, and the Department of Transportation, recommend a change in regulations to allow overloads to travel on Saturdays and Sundays.

  • Intermodal Annual Permits - Create an annual overload permit for overweight intermodal containers in the Port of Los Angeles Heavy Container Corridor only.

Currently local haulers are having to obtain a single trip permit for each load and they may haul several loads a day from the Port of LA and /or to the Port of LA on the Overload Corridor.  This corridor was set up to accommodate intermodal containers that can actually be reduced to a smaller size, but have been given an exemption to travel up to 95,000 lbs only on the Corridor with a permit.  The Containers are only allowed to travel as far as their designated warehouse that their container will be unloaded and ship at legal weight or just the opposite when the container is being shipped out of the Country.

  • Central Traffic District – We have requested that travel restriction does not apply on weekends.

Travel from Midnight to 6:00 am only in the Downtown Business District restricted from the east curb line of Los Angeles Street, the south curb line of Pico Boulevard, the west curb line of Figueroa Street, and the north curb line of Caesar Chavez Avenue.

We are currently researching the history behind the Central Business District and so far there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of information other than parking meters and how it continued to expand as they increased the number of meters back in early 1970.  It was also focused on Commercial Vehicles unloading were limited to the amount of time they could park.  We will continue our research to see what the intent was when the 12:00 am to 6:00 am restriction was developed.

  • Unattended Trailers can be legally parked in LA City – Brought to closure on 8-24-09

October 28, 2008, we had a member receive a parking citation and since then we have attend a hearing where the citation was dismissed, but we felt it couldn’t end there; what, we wondered, was going to stop another member on another day, at another time to fall victim to the similar incident and not be as fortunate?

We reached agreement with Jimmy Price, Chief of Parking Enforcement and Traffic Control that once there was a decision rendered on the citation they would look into it further.  The City has agreed to do conduct additional training to all bureau enforcement personnel in regards to CVC 22507.5 (a).  As a direct result of this investigation, the citing officer had been given additional training regarding this enforcement action.

We receive a letter from Christine Mata, Deputy Chief, Area Services Division, Metro Region, and Central Parking Enforcement

To address these questions, I have issued a directive to our staff to conduct additional training to all bureau enforcement personnel in regards to CVC section 22507.5 (a).  As a direct result of this investigation, the citing officer had been given additional training regarding this enforcement statue.

We regret any frustration that this may have caused you.  We are very concerned about our relationship with the public and make every effort to provide the citizens of Los Angeles with exceptional service.”

I hope this helps to eliminate any future issues in the City of Los Angeles and hopefully any other locality.  If you continue to have any problems of this nature, please feel free to give me a call.

City of Manhattan Beach - LA County no longer and excessive permit fees $229, plus Inspectors charges per load.

We are starting to feel the effects of those localities that may have thought they can charge any price for transportation permit.  We contacted the City and explained the do’s and don’ts from the correct permit application to what they can legally charge--$16.

Here is what they want to charge

  • $229.00 for the Permit.
  • $85.00 Inspection Fee for each load.
  • $135.00 Encroachment Fee (Encroachment description is "Wide Load Transport")These are  for smaller loads

I explained that there is no money to make in transportation permit fees that even covers their staff time, let alone the liability that comes with it.  We are hoping that after a while if not sooner they choose to sign back up with the County.

City of Pico Rivera – Decided to continue to let LA County issue their Transportation Permits

Pico Rivera has signed the authorization to allow Los Angeles County to handle transportation permits.  We are working to get as many of the 88 cities in the county as possible to sign up for this free Internet-based service.  It will help local governments by relieving them of the staff burdens of permit issuance. It helps our industry by providing reliable, 24/7 permit access at no charge.  Win, Win, Win.

City of Pismo BeachMember charged $50,000 in fees for the “speculated damage” that their Variance Load is going to cause to the pavement.

We recently had a member who was moving a heavy load (over 250,000 lbs) qualify for a Variance and in obtaining their permit through Pismo Beach they were informed about a $25,000 “deposit,” in case of road damage. There wasn’t much a permittee can do if what is standing between you and your permit is the $25,000, they had no choice.

The City of Pismo Beach’s permits are only good for one day, so once the hauler knew they were ready to go they went back to obtain a second permit to travel through Pismo with the second load.

Things went smoothly until they arrived at the permit counter at the city, where they were ready to issue the permit, but with the surprise when they asked for another $25,000 “fee,” not “deposit.”  They told the permit clerk that they have already given them a deposit and there is no reason for another as there was no damage of any kind on the route used.  They were informed that it wasn’t a deposit but rather a fee for the damage that was done to the street.  The damage they’re referring to is the escalated damage or the reduced pavement life they are going to suffer.  They had some type of formula they used and that’s where the $25,000 fee for the number of miles traveled.  We continue explore this case and are looking for more outrageous excuses from cities to raise fees on our industry.

Where does it stop? Next there will be toll gates to enter a City!

City of Sonora – Excessive Permit Fees $25, it may not seem like a lot, the law is the law.

We had a member call letting us know that the City was requiring 48-hour notice to have a transportation permit issued and then to find out they were also charging more than the vehicle code allows.  We contacted the city and they agreed to lower their fees back in line within the Vehicle Code.

Reaffirming Our Purpose:

If you have any problems with an agency (city/county/state) and you find yourself asking ‘why are we having to do things this way’ and the agency tells you, ‘this is the way we have always done it’, let us know. We are here to make California transportation operations as smooth, efficient and safe as possible.

Respectfully submitted,

Gregory D. Dineen
Industry Transportation Consultant

cc:

John Hakel, AGC

Cindy Langley, DCA

Richard Lambros, BIA

Jim Burton, ECA

Michael Vlaming, COA

Lee Steinberg, MCOG

Eric Sauer CTA

William E. Davis, SCCA

Jeff Hunter, CTTA

Doug Ball, SC&RA

Lee Brown, CDTOA